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    Need some Help with old games rendered in OpenGL

    Hello everyone, nice too met you, i'm Yuriy i'm a guy from south america Venezuela that is so friendly and humble, and i was wondering if this wonderful community can at least help me or guidance me, to solved my problem or at least to learn something new about how OPEN GL or newer hardware structures works or communicate with old engine games. Please bear in mind my English is not that good, i did learn english just a little bit since 2006 MMORPGS ^^ , well without saying anything cheese haha lets start:

    My problem is that, I used to play competitive games such counter strike back in 2004-2009 with an AMD cpu ahtlon xp 1800 and nvidia fx 5200, if if remember back in that time my game was so smooth even at 75-100 fps, i don't know if was because of D3D renders or the open gl was very nice with that old hardware that was built on processor with instructions 32bit/64 bit, but the thing the magic dissaparead after i moved on from that old amd ahtlon to: Intel msi H55-e33 and i3 cpu plus my 9600 gt nvidia, things start to get like worse... Like visual lag... even at 100fps, was like poor render, but it stars in 2009, but them again i changes my pc i upgraded in 2011-2013 with a GTX 580+ EVGA ftw x58 with i7 920 bloomson, and yeah game becomes like slightly 10% worse than before. now in 2017 i was gifted by a friends with a

    EVGA GTX 1060 gb, and ryzen cpu 5 1600 3.2, and ddr4 patriot 2x4 QVL by my motherboard Asrock ab350 fatality k4 gamming, now the thing, games perform equal or same that my old MSI-h55m or x58 motherboard, so my questio is: Does newer hardwared that are built in 64 processor instructions are not fully compatible with 32 bits? forgive me if im being ignorant or noob just wanted to know

    Also i never have before tweak or touched AMD BIOS, i followed some guides out there from guru3d but is like there is no web-site over the internet that can cover the whole AMD BIOS features like tweaks or what so ever, also I tried many tools like Intel Compiler patch 1.0, to dispatch Genuine intel in dll windows or .exe and thats make thigs more fluent, but that didn't work in Hal life or counter strike 1.6 because those .exe files were below 500 kb file.. and that program just grab 500kb file

    Another thing is that i have tried Windows 7 64 bit on Ryzen, Windows 10 1607 anniversary (currently the best one) tried the creator 1703<-- very glitchy and not so good..
    Tried deleting and removing bloatwares, tried to install chipset drivers, then nvidia drivers, then lan, realtek, tried to use some generic audio from Windows, many tweaks inside Windows to keep thigns smooth and it doesn't seems to help. I have also a Syncmaster t200g 1680x1050 60hz that can up to 75hz by overclocking, and 2ms ghosting, but im telling you back in 2005-2009 my crt monitor i was playing on 72-75 hz, also tried some old LCd in 2009 and games keeps smoother

    So my question is what can i do ? i'm willing to post Pictures, or put here my BIOS compressed as 7zip, so you can give me a hand to properly cfg bios? maybe that can cure a little be my problems? or maybe is there something out there that i can do, to improve OpengL render in Cs 1.6 ? because Direct 3d use to be more enjoyeable at least in 2009.

    Thanks alot This is my bios.7zp with 44 pictures in case you want to give a look.
    I really appreciate your effort Opengl team/community, this can sound kinda pathetic or crazy but, by having a good game play or desktop experience make me so happy and feel more comfortable, because i really love to learn every day, new things about pc, how to fix things, viruses, dpc latencies, stuff like that, like pc enthusiasm, I really cannot enjoys games like i used to do, even games such dota2 at high fps, or hereos of the storm i cannot properly throw a stun or what so ever u.u, but this problem is more affected in 32 bits games with opengl render i guess.


    Without any further to say, thanks alot! I uploaded my bios to mediafire
    http://www.mediafire.com/file/264dbk...uresDefault.7z

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    Bumb Please!

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    There's not really much folks can do here. You've given a lot of info, but if I boil it down it basically amounts to:

    Back in 2009, you were happy with Counterstrike performance. However nowadays, after everything has been changed (CPU, GPU, memory, motherboard, other hardware, OS, drivers, etc.), the performance is about the same or leaves you disappointed in some way.

    It's good that you really love to learn, because what it sounds like you need to do is learn how to identify performance bottlenecks on your system. There are quite a few sites out there that will help you do this, and lots of tools you can use (some built into Windows; many that are free add-on tools) to benchmark specific aspects of your system's performance and isolate bottlenecks when you experience them. Get familiar with tools like Performance Monitor, Process Explorer, and GPUShark.

    That said, if for you it's all about Counterstrike performance, I would start with that. Identify a problem (a performance bottleneck) and then research what you can do to determine its root cause. If it happens to be something related to OpenGL specifically, feel free to post your question here.

    It's worth websearching the game you're interested in with "performance" or "performance problem" and see what folks are saying. That may give you a head-start looking for clues. For instance, if you search for "Counterstrike performance", you'll find lots of folks talking about how they have problems with this game being CPU limited on their computer. You can see if that's possibly your problem too by looking at CPU load while you're running the game and seeing if you're pegging a core at 100%.

    As far as OpenGL performance, install the latest NVidia drivers, and get familiar with the settings in the NVidia Control Panel. There are a number of GPU settings with which to tune the performance and latency of GPU rendering through the NVidia GL driver. When you're doing the CPU load test (see above), make sure you don't have Frame Sync set to OFF or Fast Sync (as with these you should expect to see your CPU pegged).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Photon View Post
    There's not really much folks can do here. You've given a lot of info, but if I boil it down it basically amounts to:

    Back in 2009, you were happy with Counterstrike performance. However nowadays, after everything has been changed (CPU, GPU, memory, motherboard, other hardware, OS, drivers, etc.), the performance is about the same or leaves you disappointed in some way.

    It's good that you really love to learn, because what it sounds like you need to do is learn how to identify performance bottlenecks on your system. There are quite a few sites out there that will help you do this, and lots of tools you can use (some built into Windows; many that are free add-on tools) to benchmark specific aspects of your system's performance and isolate bottlenecks when you experience them. Get familiar with tools like Performance Monitor, Process Explorer, and GPUShark.

    That said, if for you it's all about Counterstrike performance, I would start with that. Identify a problem (a performance bottleneck) and then research what you can do to determine its root cause. If it happens to be something related to OpenGL specifically, feel free to post your question here.

    It's worth websearching the game you're interested in with "performance" or "performance problem" and see what folks are saying. That may give you a head-start looking for clues. For instance, if you search for "Counterstrike performance", you'll find lots of folks talking about how they have problems with this game being CPU limited on their computer. You can see if that's possibly your problem too by looking at CPU load while you're running the game and seeing if you're pegging a core at 100%.

    As far as OpenGL performance, install the latest NVidia drivers, and get familiar with the settings in the NVidia Control Panel. There are a number of GPU settings with which to tune the performance and latency of GPU rendering through the NVidia GL driver. When you're doing the CPU load test (see above), make sure you don't have Frame Sync set to OFF or Fast Sync (as with these you should expect to see your CPU pegged).
    Hello thanks for answer me and sorry for being late, i was doing some research, and also i started to download all netframeworks the thing is it seems to improve game performance when installing netframe work 1.0, i dont know if that placebo but i can feel a better or responsive gaming experience, my question is is there any software from microsoft to detect what netframe works are missing for my windows, because it is very tiring to Download one by one and don't work :c

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    Quote Originally Posted by x58haze View Post
    ... is there any software from microsoft to detect what netframe works are missing for my windows, because it is very tiring to Download one by one and don't work :c
    Yeah, those things are a pain, aren't they.

    I rarely boot into Windows anymore, but IIRC this tool was useful to enumerate 1) what's installed, and 2) make it easy to install other versions if/when needed:

    * Asoft .NET Version Detector

    Be sure to run a virus scan on it first.

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    I would suggest this is placebo, unfortunately.

    Your old PC had a single-core CPU whereas your new PCs all have multi-core CPUs. Older games sometimes don't run well on multi-core and running them on a single core instead is often beneficial. That's the first thing I'd try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Photon View Post
    Yeah, those things are a pain, aren't they.

    I rarely boot into Windows anymore, but IIRC this tool was useful to enumerate 1) what's installed, and 2) make it easy to install other versions if/when needed:

    * Asoft .NET Version Detector

    Be sure to run a virus scan on it first.
    Hello thanks for your comment, and yes Windows is a pain in the ....
    But yeah i did use that software to detect what was missing and was the 1.0 i had to use command prompt+ xml2msi.exe codes in order to remove the limit of 64 bit, i found that in this post (https://www.instructables.com/id/Ins...4-bit-Windows/)
    I did success at the begin was kind hard because i didn't get it, but finally i made to install the 1.0 but now the 4.0 is missing, also i downloaded a tool from Microsoft which listed many Frameworks to install and i'm missing the version 4.5.2 something like that but when i hit download+install it doesn't seems to install actually..


    Look this is my current Asoft version Detector:



    <32Bit>
    1.0.3705.6060
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.0.3705
    1.1.4322.2032
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322
    2.0.50727.8766
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727
    4.7.2110.0
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319

    <64Bit>
    2.0.50727.8766
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v2.0.50727
    4.7.2110.0
    ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319

    < Installed .NET Frameworks >
    .NET FW 1.0 (CLR:1.0)
    .NET FW 1.1 SP 1 (CLR:1.1)
    .NET FW 2.0 SP 2 (CLR:2.0)
    .NET FW 3.0 SP 2 (CLR:2.0)
    .NET FW 3.5 SP 1 (CLR:2.0)
    .NET FW 4.6.2 General release (CLR:4.0)
    .NET FW 4.7 General release (CLR:4.0)

    < Installed Updates >
    .NETFramework
    Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile
    KB2468871
    KB2468871v2
    KB2478063
    KB2533523
    KB2544514
    KB2600211
    KB2600217
    Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended
    KB2468871
    KB2468871v2
    KB2478063
    KB2533523
    KB2544514
    KB2600211
    KB2600217
    KB2468871
    KB2468871v2
    KB2478063
    KB2533523
    KB2544514
    KB2600211
    KB2600217

    < Installed Languages 3.0>
    English - United States
    < Installed Languages 3.5.x>
    English - United States
    < Installed Languages 4.x>
    English - United States



    And this is the Program that i tell you about Window Listing Frame/works and servers stuff to download


    And when hitting add+install:


    When installing and sucess:


    Finish:



    Now is curious there is not Netframework 4.5.2 nowhere.... also when open back the Web Platform microsot 5.0 it still showing that there is avalaible netframework 4.5.2 not installed.
    The software/programs installed:


    Updates installed, this is windows 10 1607 Anniversary i find this Windows much better than the creator thats very glitchy..



    And yeah i was wondering if im missing more of Visual CC++ packages that can help games perform, or if im missing more netframe works? or maybe, necessary files that are like opengl? or crazy things that was super normal to be installed in old machines back in 2000, that was so necessary to run old games perfectly? i'm really curious, i'm so excited about pc things n.n

    And lastly this the route of Asoft.Net version detector where it checks the current frameworks.
    Framework folder in Windows i guess 32 bit:



    WEll thats all sorry for bother with many pictures and text, but i refuse to use cheat in games, i really love to have the most clear pictures, responsiveness systems, that's mean much to me, i know i may sound like geek or nerdy but i dont care n.n xD
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    Had to make a second post because i only was avalaible to up 6 pictures:

    Updates installed, this is windows 10 1607 Anniversary i find this Windows much better than the creator thats very glitchy..



    And lastly this the route of Asoft.Net version detector where it checks the current frameworks.
    Framework folder in Windows i guess 32/64 bit:
    32 bit


    64bit

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    @mhagain

    I have tried already to disable SMT (simultaneous multicore threading) and run cs 1.6 with one core, but when i run on it RIVATUNER STADISTICS with monitoring the 6 physical cpu from the ryzen 5 1600 smt off total 6 cores
    i can tell that even by forcing hl.exe or cs 1.6 to 1 single core, i can tell how the cpu05 or cpu 04 or cpu 03 gets like 5% somethings 10% or 7% and cpu core 0 gets 90-100%.... :/

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    Try installing .NET Framework v4.7. It's just an updated v4.5.2, anyway, and will run apps developed for v4.5.2.

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