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V-man
07-14-2003, 05:48 AM
Anyone noticed this thing at the bottom of every thread?


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dorbie
07-14-2003, 05:56 AM
Yes, but I've also noticed the empty "(moderated by)" field at the top of the forums and that's been there for weeks (at least) but lists no moderators. So it looks like there are still no moderators......... yet?

Coconut
07-14-2003, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by V-man:
Anyone noticed this thing at the bottom of every thread?

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Do we have a moderator(s) yet? Anything we can do to speed up the process?

dorbie
07-14-2003, 06:20 AM
The process is not inherently slow. We do not know why it has not happened yet or even if it will happen. We have been teased, that is all, there is not necessarily any commitment to moderation by the webmasted AFAIK. He's just sounded a few people out.

Obli
07-14-2003, 07:33 AM
At least it's something.

rgpc
07-14-2003, 07:08 PM
I have been told that moderation is on the way, but haven't been told a when. Last I heard (a while ago) was that there hasn't been a decision over who would moderate the lists. I don't know if that has changed...

V-man
07-14-2003, 07:59 PM
I saw a post where it said
[post deleted by infamous_moderator] or something like that not too long ago.
I was hoping I could see some action right on this thread. Go ahead, delete it!

matt_weird
07-14-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by V-man:
I saw a post where it said
[post deleted by infamous_moderator] or something like that not too long ago.

no, V-man, that was some sort of joke -- i thought it would put some fear on some people(like C++) and stop them from posting useless crap. Dunno if it worked or not. Sorry for inconvenience, if any.

Eric
07-14-2003, 10:04 PM
V-Man,

I was also contacted by the webmaster a while ago (May 29th!) to see if I would be interested in moderating the forums (I sent numerous e-mails regarding this problem in the past!).

As I don't come here very often anymore, I told him I was probably not the best one to do the job but that I'd give a hand if he needed.

He asked me about you and asked who I'd see suitable for this. I said I thought you'd probably be a good moderator and I named a few others. Now that I have read some posts in the other topic I realise I didn't name dorbie which I should have done actually! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif

Anyway, let's see how they have decided to do all that!

Regards,

Eric

VikingCoder
07-15-2003, 06:04 AM
Oh, heck - let's just let C++ moderate for a while and see what happens. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by VikingCoder (edited 07-15-2003).]

matt_weird
07-15-2003, 06:43 AM
heck, no way -- he could easily destroy the admin simply by calling a few DX methods!!! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/eek.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

Coconut
07-15-2003, 06:53 AM
Only dark side is not enough to destroy the world. We should put C++ and dorbie as moderators. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif

matt_weird
07-15-2003, 07:06 AM
what a great idea! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/cool.gif ..well, except that you'll never see their comments in here, as they will be deleted by each other! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif ..heh, and also i'm afraid some time later when dorbie will get annoyed and put C++ on ignore list, eventually there will be only two sections in here:

"I does love Direct3D!"

and

"C++ rules! And i doesn't actually know why!"

http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by matt_weird (edited 07-15-2003).]

dorbie
07-15-2003, 08:02 AM
Err.. thanks coconut, now I'm grouped with C++ for the first time, sigh. [edit] oh I get it, I read too fast the first time, the shock of seeing my name & C++ in the same sentence threw me, I'm still recovering.

Anyhoo, FWIW I recommended jwatte as a moderator when asked by the admin (I made another recommendation too). Clearly I have a higher standard for moderators than anyone who suggested my name ;-)

[This message has been edited by dorbie (edited 07-15-2003).]

Zeno
07-15-2003, 08:16 AM
I'd cast a vote for jwatte too, if he wants the job...

knackered
07-15-2003, 09:38 AM
Nah, don't like jwatte - he smells.

rgpc
07-16-2003, 04:07 AM
Gee, how much has jon been paying you guys?

(Yes I recommended him too. Still waiting for the cheque...) http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

Ysaneya
07-16-2003, 06:56 AM
Will you vote for me if i make a strip-tease ?

*Aaron*
07-16-2003, 08:37 AM
It should be someone from Switzerland. They're always neutral...

dorbie
07-16-2003, 09:06 AM
daveperemen's Swiss.

jwatte
07-16-2003, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the vote! I recommended y'all in turn. Now if any of us could actually find *time* to do the job (although hopefully it'd be lightweight).

dorbie
07-16-2003, 09:20 AM
Many hands make light work.

matt_weird
07-16-2003, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Ysaneya:
Will you vote for me if i make a strip-tease ?

If you're a pretty girl/woman -- you can count on me, babe! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/cool.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif ..but if not -- well, you got it..sorry http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif j/k

Coconut
07-16-2003, 09:53 AM
If "moderator" sounds too serious, we can name that person as "thread terminator". It is pretty much what we need, right? I doubt it will take much of that person's time than downloading the thread filled with craps.

Maybe this is the thread that should be moderated.

josip
07-16-2003, 01:06 PM
What if a model similar to Slashdot was used, whereby we can rank different posts as either "interesting", "flamebait", etc.? That way, you can easily filter out the garbage w/o having to require a moderator. The community becomes the moderator.

knackered
07-16-2003, 01:27 PM
Still not quite seeing the need for a moderator....just looks like a load of egg heads wanting to form their own exclusive club. Is this like squatting? If you stay in a forum for long enough you can decide what gets discussed?
Maybe you could give some more examples of threads you would have 'terminated'? Maybe the 'nvidia drivers & 3dmark2003' thread, to which you all contributed but then got bored of? Who should have terminated that?

josip
07-16-2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by knackered:
Still not quite seeing the need for a moderator....just looks like a load of egg heads wanting to form their own exclusive club. Is this like squatting? If you stay in a forum for long enough you can decide what gets discussed?
Maybe you could give some more examples of threads you would have 'terminated'? Maybe the 'nvidia drivers & 3dmark2003' thread, to which you all contributed but then got bored of? Who should have terminated that?

To me, that's the advantage of what Slashdot does. I don't think this forum has anywhere near the number or trolls as Slashdot, but if enough people are having problems, this could offer a solution.

You don't delete posts - you can simply rate posts (or posters). If someone wants the unfiltered board, they're free to view it. Otherwise, they can at least filter out anything they might perceive as noise. For example, if someone is completely irritated w/ "C++", simply filter out any posts made by him. You could look at the thread and his responses would be removed.

Seems like a less draconian step, while still alleviating any concerns some people might be having.


[This message has been edited by josip (edited 07-16-2003).]

V-man
07-16-2003, 05:12 PM
This might be one of the cleanest forums on the net. Not much foul language and insults or trolls.

I think blocking posts from someone may not be enough since the person can sign on under a different name. Even if there is a moderator, that person can create as many threads as he wishes.

Fortunatly, that kind of personality hasn't visited this place.

rgpc
07-16-2003, 06:00 PM
Originially posted by *Aaron*
It should be someone from Switzerland. They're always neutral...

rofl - Good idea...


Originally posted by dorbie:
daveperemen's Swiss.

Maybe not then... http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif (Although at least we could guarantee the cg posts would be killed off quickly...)

matt_weird
07-16-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by V-man:
I think blocking posts from someone may not be enough since the person can sign on under a different name. Even if there is a moderator, that person can create as many threads as he wishes.


..i've heard about some interesting solution some time ago. On some web-board it was always two people who were starting the flames, continuing them, insulting anyone else too, etc... But then the moderator has enabled to display some of the IP digits, and both were hopefully gone. Because it was the same dude logged-on under two different nicknames.

The UBB software allows you to have many things, that are currently not enabled on this particular one. For example, putting some member on the ignore list, log/display IP's, private messaging, member/posts rating, etc. So if you see those options switched off, then probably it's been done with some idea in mind -- probly the idea was to make a technical self-controlled forum with independent members who would be able to solve their problems independently on their own without any advisory and censorship. Anyway, this is what it looks like to me, but i can be wrong with all this.

[This message has been edited by matt_weird (edited 07-17-2003).]

matt_weird
07-23-2003, 07:25 AM
..something funny happened. i've occasionally specified this in the browser's URL box:
http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/...oding:+advanced (http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/cgi_directory/postings.cgi?action=reply&forum=OpenGL+coding:+advanced)

..and here's what i got:


"We have noted your attempt to hack this forum. Authorities will be notified if you persist.

nicE.. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/rolleyes.gif what kind of hack is that supposed to be then?.. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/confused.gif unauthorized access to CGI scripts? http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif ..or a dumb URL input box http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/rolleyes.gif ..or a dumb browser user, hehe.. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif Or.... er..nevermind http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/smile.gif

*Aaron*
07-23-2003, 08:15 AM
OK, that's it, Matt, you're banned! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif

Jan
07-23-2003, 08:51 AM
DAMN!

I clicked on that link, without reading the rest of the post.

Now i will be banned, too!

Nutty
07-23-2003, 08:56 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by dorbie:
daveperemen's Swiss.
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Maybe not then... (Although at least we could guarantee the cg posts would be killed off quickly...)


Indeed. I dont think any moderators should act, unless theres approval from alot of members. Otherwise you could end up with just posts disapearing because someone has a grudge or something. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif

*daveperman deletes all ATI bug threads to make them look l33t! * http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

DJSnow
07-23-2003, 09:16 AM
http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif
another way to clear this "mess" would be making a new domain, somehting like opengl2.org, then opening there are "real good moderated" forum, which is moderated by qualified guys like "C++" and which graps all new threads, site updates & Co from opengl.org via a nice script...

*laughing* http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

V-man
07-23-2003, 10:01 AM
"We have noted your attempt to hack this forum. Authorities will be notified if you persist. "

I received this message once but in my case, I only changed the character encoding thing from my browser menu. I though someone was attacking the site using my IP or something.

Elixer
07-23-2003, 10:54 AM
I thought this was a advanced coding forum, now how did all you l33t haxors get in here? http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif


Where is a mod when you need one, this thread should be locked! --Oh wait... :P

matt_weird
07-24-2003, 01:35 AM
*Aaron*:
OK, that's it, Matt, you're banned!

..oh, i see. how sad.. http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/frown.gif

http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif


Jan2000:
Now i will be banned, too!


the same as me! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif


Nutty:

Indeed. I dont think any moderators should act, unless theres approval from alot of members.


..well, i thought that's how they operate anyway. besides, that are the members who're sending the queries, and then the moderator-dude decide what to do. but still -- with moderator this wouldn't be that fun anymore, IMHO http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/rolleyes.gif


DJSnow:
another way to clear this "mess" would be making a new domain, somehting like opengl2.org, then opening there are "real good moderated" forum, which is moderated by qualified guys like "C++" and which graps all new threads, site updates & Co from opengl.org via a nice script...

woohoo, how clever! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/cool.gif ..but how do you know that it isn't implemented already? http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/confused.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif and um.. we're using it right now. but actually all the traffic goes from Mars(where nVidia head-quarters are located at http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif j/k)


V-man:

I received this message once but in my case, I only changed the character encoding thing from my browser menu. I though someone was attacking the site using my IP or something.


i think this supposed to be a "sHmart" way to show that some divine power is watching for us. However, this was all a joke, and..er.. it looks like another proof for that "divine power" theory posted above http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif


Elixer:

I thought this was a advanced coding forum, now how did all you l33t haxors get in here?

Where is a mod when you need one, this thread should be locked!


*shakes his head* Too bad, Elixer -- i think you definately should be banned off for your repulsion to our haXing persistence! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif :joke:

[This message has been edited by matt_weird (edited 07-24-2003).]

al_bob
08-29-2003, 01:59 PM
Sorry to resurect an old thread, but may I ask if/when we'll be getting moderators?

Certain (http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/Forum2/HTML/013880.html) threads (http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/Forum2/HTML/013838.html) have gone way out of hand.

AdrianD
09-16-2003, 06:52 AM
from: http://www.opengl.org/prototype2/feedback2_5.html
(paragraph 5)

"...(And yes, we will be adding moderators!)"

and did you noticed that there is also a proposed discussion section for OT-posts ?

Madoc
09-16-2003, 09:42 PM
I'm afraid the OT board might have been removed because I suggested it should be. I hadn't really considered that the baords would be moderated though. You're still in time to ask for it back if you really want it.

I made a lot of of suggestions about the discussion forums and it seems they took almost all of them up.
I think it's really important that the topics are well placed, we should give a lot of feedback about this. This is what I wrote, what do you think?

To prototype@opengl.org:



I think the discussion boards are a little too specific in their topics and some topics are too vague. Looking at the list I would ask these questions:
What's "General Coding"? How is "Performance/Optimisations" so specific to require it's own board? Might not "General Coding" and the "OpenGL shading language" (or others) be of interest to the same group? Is "Math and Matrices" just off-topic or is it somehow pertinent to OpenGL? Should "Math and Matrices" perhaps be renamed to "Math and Algorithms?" Is anyone ever going to use or look at the "Off-Topic" board?
My concern is that people won't know where to post, whether something will be the board's intended topic and also that many more specific topics won't attract the interest of enough people to be sufficiently frequented and valid.
Having more generic coding boards at advanced and begginer levels seems much better. Also simply because it's important to divide begginer and advanced questions.

Other boards for OS/API/Tool specific issues seem fully appropiate, though I fear other boards may be abused because of the interest issue.


Edit (adding some comments):

I think the newly suggested boards are pretty good. On second thought I think the SL does deserve it's own board. I'm not too convinced about the Maths board though. I guess it's for stuff that _isn't_ OpenGL related, hope it sticks to graphics though. I guess it depends on the criteria the moderators will follow.


[This message has been edited by Madoc (edited 09-16-2003).]

dorbie
09-17-2003, 01:09 AM
It would be useful for moderators to be able to move threads to the OT board instead of the more drastic step of deleting borderline threads that might have redeeming posts.