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_new_horizon
09-02-2004, 04:39 PM
Greetings,

I'm trying to get a simple 3D app working which will run on software wireframe when opengl is not present. Everything is working except one thing; the projection matrix. I've never been able to get a projection matrix working outside of opengl; instead I simply fudged it with something like this:

screen.x = (x / (z / Dist)) + screen.centerX
screen.y = (y / (z / Dist)) + screen.centerY

The mesh vertices are transformed first by the modelling/world matrices (translate, scale etc) and then by the UVN camera matrix. This does the job of a proper projection matrix but it just does'nt cut it. I've tried simple z-axis one-point projection matrices such as this:

[ 1 0 0 0 ]
[ 0 1 0 0 ]
[ 0 0 1 dist ]
[ 0 0 0 1 ]

and this

[ 1 0 0 0 ]
[ 0 1 0 0 ]
[ 0 0 1/dist 1/dist ]
[ 0 0 0 1]

when dist is derived from simple trig. It's usually around 300. Everything I try always seems to produce a orthographic view with no depth foreshortening. The graphics books I have don't account for this behaviour. What am I missing? Do I have to do something with these point after they are projected before they can be displayed?

Please note; I'm not a graphics newbie. I've programmed distributed raytracers, z-buffer renderers, filters and more. But this has always stumped me, and I want to solve it once and for all!

endash
09-02-2004, 04:58 PM
It sounds like you aren't doing the perspective divide. Googling for that, or looking it up in the Red Book will probably answer your question.

rgpc
09-02-2004, 05:04 PM
when opengl is not presentWhen does that happen?

The Red book description of the Projection matrix can be found here (http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~unreal/theredbook/appendixg.html) . Google (http://www.google.com) is your friend.

_new_horizon
09-02-2004, 05:18 PM
What do you mean by 'perspective divide'?

Sorry, this must seem so simple to you...I've got the Red Book, but I still don't see what I'm doing wrong.

endash
09-02-2004, 05:38 PM
Perspective division is where OpenGL divides the components of each point by the w component. In my edition of the Red Book, it is page 674 that shows exactly what matrix glFrustum creates (It is the last page of Appendix F on homogeneous coordinates & transformation matrices.)

_new_horizon
09-02-2004, 05:46 PM
I'm looking at it right now but I still don't get what you mean, or why it should be necessary
:confused:

Do you mean:

x /= dist*z
y /= dist*z
z /= dist*z

:(

endash
09-02-2004, 06:20 PM
Not quite. x /= w, y /= w, z /= w, w /= w. Remember, you are multiplying a four-dimentional vector by a four-by-four matrix. The last row of the matrix isn't necessarily 0,0,0,1; it only is if you have an orthographic projection.

Tom Nuydens
09-03-2004, 01:21 AM
Sections 2.11 ("Coordinate Transformations") and 2.12 ("Clipping") of the OpenGL spec offer a very thorough explanation of the whole transformation from object coordinates to window coordinates.

-- Tom