View Full Version : call for OpenGL forum improvement !!!

07-07-2003, 03:05 PM
after writing several emails to the webmaster of this site with getting no response, i try this way to get a larger overview of how many people are interested in getting a great feature:

if anybody knows the 3DSMAX web/helpboard at support.discreet.com, her/his will have recognized that there is a great feature:
a daily/twodaily updated .CHM file of the webboard and its complete content, for downloading; so that everyone can search/browse the content offline without beeing connected to the internet.

i think this is a very cool idea.

i suggested this point to the webmaster of opengl.org, but he did not respond to my email (perhaps he is too busy?)

so, my question to all of you is:
is anybody interested in having the "same way" of getting an excerpt of the opengl.org help/discussion forum for reading it offline ???

if yes, then we should write an email to him.

07-07-2003, 03:15 PM
It would certainly be a great offline reference. But there is a snag I believe.

If you have the bandwidth to regularly download large and comprehensive .chm files, then you probably have a DSL connection ... which means you pay a monthly (or whatever) fee for a constant connection. And if you have DSL, then the speed of download for a give post is almost neglible anyway.

For a modem user, things may be slightly different. But at the end of the day, they (modem users) are a dying breed.

Interesting point though.


07-07-2003, 03:30 PM

the .CHM file on support.discreet.com has around 2MB; but contains all the stuff since the launch of the board...

07-07-2003, 03:38 PM
I'm honestly not knocking the idea. But I seriously expected the size of the (compressed?) .chm file for this forum would be greater than 2Mb.

07-07-2003, 09:21 PM
Great idea!!! One must remember that the site might not be available all the time (remember last time?), and it would be a great service for modem-users.

07-07-2003, 11:36 PM
At least a better search feature should be added. Most of the time people ask things that have already been asked but since the search feature is so basic...


07-08-2003, 12:03 AM
The search facility on this forum is diabolical. You're limited to about 3 words - and sometimes it's a challenge to summerise your problem in 3 words! http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/smile.gif
It is also very slow, which is suprising seeing as though it only has to cross reference with 3 words!
It's often much quicker to search this forum using the google groups search engine - oh the irony.

07-08-2003, 12:33 AM
I've noticed this forum slowing down alot, especially when replying to That huge thread.

07-08-2003, 01:32 AM
At the risk of hijacking the thread... I think the most urgent need for these boards is moderators. Moving threads to the appropriate forums, deleting trolls' posts, &c.

There's quite a lot of good stuff goes on here, but it tends to get drowned out by the noise...

07-08-2003, 01:42 AM
Don't be so silly.
Give more than 3 examples on the current first page of troll threads.

Originally posted by Robin Williams:
You're in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history!

Just get a life, man.

07-08-2003, 02:06 AM
Trolls seem to annoy people beyond their volume. It would be trivial to deal with them with moderation. Other stuff could be moderated, it depends on where they want to take the boards, the introduction of moderators could mean a more diligent reading of posting guidelines and possible enforcement.

This site seems to use an off the shelf bb system, it may or may not support moving threads etc. It may not support the kind of summary you want. I don't see a need, but people have different needs.

The search facility on opengl.org seems horribly broken. It just doesn't seem to work very well for longer term searches, even for single word querries.

I happen to know that moderation is being seriously considered for opengl.org, whether it will happen I don't know.

07-08-2003, 02:44 AM
I would like some improvements, as flipcode has them.

1. The "reply" box should always be directly beneath a thread, so one doesnīt first have to click "reply". Sometimes it takes quite long, until the new page appears. Instead, it could just always be there.

2. I like flipcodes feature to "mark read". This way i can quickly see, if something was added to a thread, and when i browse through a thread, i donīt have to read each post so know, whether it is new, or not. On flipcode, i can just scroll down (imagine those 100 post threads) a thread, and when i see the "new" icon, i know, that i havenīt read that yet.

Sometimes moderators would be fine, but i know some other forum, where moderators are present. If they have a bad day, they kick your post, or move them around the different forums, only because one word was slightly off-topic. I really hate that forum. And to be honest, i think this forum works pretty fine without moderators. C++ gets flamed every time he post something, which is another way of "moderating" a forum ;-)


07-08-2003, 03:09 AM
New UBB forums are nice -> tech-report, cgshaders & Nuttys page.

07-08-2003, 04:49 AM
I think its a terrible idea. The hole idea of a fourm is to see what people have just posted. Downloading a hole fourm would be pointless and just waste OGL.org's bw. Browse the fourm while connected to the net it will be much easyer to post and you will always have the latest things people have posted. Could you image reading a chat program that was saved? How would you talk back to the other people? It would be pointless.

07-08-2003, 04:57 AM

the main idea is, that it could act as a sort of "reference book", reading for offline. and again: it would not waste webspace enormously, i'm sure about this point.

07-08-2003, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by DJSnow:
after writing several emails to the webmaster of this site with getting no response ...

Rant mode on.

Fundamentally fscked up things with this (UBB-based|kind of) forum:

1. No threads. Anything that grows beyond 10 or so posts becomes unreadable and untractable.

2. No tracking of new items. What have I read? What haven't I?

3. Smilies. Need I say more?

4. Ugly as hell.

5. Hard to track even with automated tools. There are no message-id nor anything else that uniquely identifies the different posts. Furthermore, it has this annoying "edit" feature. Once a post is made, it's done. You don't change it. It only makes tracking even harder.

6. No post previews. You can't correct typos before posting, you have to post and then edit. See 5.

7. Windows centered. For a portable API, it's amazing how windows-centered people here are. But the forum doesn't have anything to do with this :-(

Rant off.

07-08-2003, 05:50 AM
>>>>7. Windows centered. For a portable API, it's amazing how windows-centered people here are. But the forum doesn't have anything to do with this :-(<<<

What do you mean by this?

PS: if you don't remember if you read something, then reading it again is like reading it a fresh.

07-08-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by V-man:
>>>>7. Windows centered. For a portable API, it's amazing how windows-centered people here are. But the forum doesn't have anything to do with this :-(<<<

What do you mean by this?

People just assume you are running on Windows. They often give advise along the lines of "do this in MSVC++" or "in the control panel do that" or make references to WIN32's idiosyncrasies out of the blue. The OP never states he's working on a Windows platform, yet more often than not replies assume he is.

And did you notice there's "under Linux" forum and a "under MacOS" one, yet no "under Windows" one?

07-08-2003, 06:56 AM
And you take no hint from this?

lost hope
07-08-2003, 09:16 AM
1) most people are in fact running windows, so if you're going to assume as OS (and you have no other choice if one isn't specified), it only makes sense to choose windows.

2) as for moderators, i don't think there's a need -- this board seems highly focused on openGL, and even the threads which are off topic are only slightly so.

3) a daily summary download is a good idea. granted, i wouldn't use it on a regular basis, but i can envision users that would.

4) yes, the search sucks (slooooooow).

5) what's wrong with smiles http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif

07-08-2003, 09:35 AM
These forums only really need a troll moderator (*cough*C++*cough*)

07-08-2003, 10:47 AM
Since the webmaster looks dead, who should be contact to issue those ideas? This is the first problem I see and it's the most important. This topic already issued some time ago and got lost.

I like fmod forum (http://fmod.org/forum/) , it would be very nice to have the gl forum updated to that. Private messages would also be cool.

EDIT: broken url
EDIT: uh-oh, I must learn how to use those UBB code.

[This message has been edited by Obli (edited 07-08-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Obli (edited 07-08-2003).]

07-08-2003, 11:34 AM
Private messages and "continuing this conversation by email" go against the philosophy of newsgroups. If a question is to be answered, let it be answered in public, and let it be recorded for future generations.

07-08-2003, 03:48 PM
The webmaster doesn't reply sometimes. But there was a search for a moderator and he asked me to recommend someone.

Wanna know who I recommended?

The forum is not out of control, but getting rid of trolls and people who have no clue would be nice. By no clue, I mean people who dont know how to ask a question and leave out critical info like OS, drivers, video, ...

As for CHM files, I personally dont need them. I just save the whole HTML page in a folder.

07-09-2003, 01:13 AM
Maybe we should wait until OpenGL 2.0 is released and then whole opengl.org should be updated. I always thought, that there is a lot of stuff here, which is really not that up to date.
And then one could think about adding a "shader forum".


07-09-2003, 02:48 AM
Wanna know who I recommended?


And then one could think about adding a "shader forum".

deja vu.

07-09-2003, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Nutty:

I said Dorbie or jwatte. He said can you recommend a "level headed person", and they seem ok, plus they have been here a long time.

Maybe Dorbie was contacted but he turned it down??? Please don't tell me you turned it down.

07-09-2003, 06:46 AM
>>These forums only really need a troll >>moderator (*cough*C++*cough*)

07-09-2003, 06:47 AM
ohhh, lest poszt seams to be veary drunken. sorry.

07-09-2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by m2:
3. Smilies. Need I say more?

No, you don't. You just consider will you be using them or not

http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/cool.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/eek.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/confused.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/redface.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/mad.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/frown.gif http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/smile.gif

07-09-2003, 07:22 AM
I was surprised to be recommended, yes I was asked to moderate some time ago and also asked if I would recommend any other level headed people who may want to moderate. I accepted and made a couple of recommendations, I'd probably make one or two more now having seen a few posts in the interim and given it some thought.

I never heard any more, I never thought too much about, I figured either it was on the back burner or the web master saw some of my more colorful posts and thought better of it. I'm sure there are several frequent contributors out there who don't think I'm a good choice, I have afterall been embroiled in some long running threads and really don't relish being the topic of the ensuing debate.

07-09-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Nutty:
deja vu.

Mmmm, be carefull, you know what a bug in the matrix means, right?

07-09-2003, 12:31 PM
I was surprised to be recommended, yes I was asked to moderate some time ago and also asked if I would recommend any other level headed people who may want to moderate.

I bet your first choice for another moderator is C++ isnt it? http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/wink.gif j/k, hehe http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/biggrin.gif

More seriously though, I just want a moderator that will just get rid of the occasional troll *cough* C++ *cough* and the posts that couldn't possibly get anymore off topic. Like one I replied to a little while back where the person asked why does his windows or programs or wtf ever would automatically close a few seconds after opening them. Why someone thinks they need to post something like that here is beyond me. That's the kind of thing that needs to be just deleted by a mod as quickly as possible.

Anyway, I would like to see this board updated with a new look. The way cgshaders.org, nutty's board, etc look is very nice. I like that style of msg board a lot. From all of the msg board styles I have seen to me it's the nicest.


07-09-2003, 11:50 PM
I think Dorbie would be a good choice.
So long as he doesn't edit any threads he's contributed to.

07-10-2003, 01:53 PM
Another vote for Dorbie.

I think a post bookmarking feature would be nice to have like gamedev.net has. That way if you make a post you can quickly return to it without browsing or searching for the posts. Also, the search feature should not be limited to 200 or so post searches. I like the idea of downloading .chm forum file for archiving purposes as there is some good info in here.